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2020.05.08 02:31 Gotridof Spy cam college toilet

First time posting, long time reader, short time member of Reddit.
Not sure if this is pro revenge, nuclear revenge, or nuclear ghosting but here goes:
The players are:
Myself Fiancé Fiancé’s Mom
Time frame – 2013 to 2016
It has obviously been several years since the incident and I literally have never told anyone in my new life about this. Tonight I have some good wine to drink and figure I'll let my fingers do the talking.
I thought I had met the perfect woman. We met in the last year of college. We met at a party and hit it off instantly. She was a beautiful blonde with sun kissed skin and she could have been a model. (think Kate Upton type figure) She was kind, compassionate, sympathetic, good listener, and had and active life with many friends. She liked my friends and it was awesome over the three years we knew each other in how our friend groups merged. Several of our friends began dating each other. It was some of the best times of my life.
I was on for a post grad in finance and she had a degree in contractual law. This is just to say we ended up being successful in our own rights.
But I’m no slouch in the looks department either. 5’ 11” 190 lbs and liked the gym. I wasn’t a super athlete but let’s just say I was built. But I was/am very shy and didn’t have a lot of prior relationships prior to meeting her.
The first evening we met, we were smitten. First night we talked all night. Then it went to texting/phone calls daily, then dates weekly, then after a year (when I started working my new job) she moved in. I loved her family and her family loved me. (Mostly her mother as her father was standoffish – as he was to everyone). It was a whirlwind romance.
After two and a half blissful years of overseas vacations, hiking trips and luxury vacations I proposed to her. She said YES! I was over the moon. She was doing all the planning for the wedding. We were talking about our futures together, buying a house, children and family trips that we were going to take together and all such things like that.
Then it happened. One evening after we both get home to our apartment; she is a little distant. I think I noticed it right away as we were always very affectionate towards each other. This would only happen about once a week for the first month (after proposal) then it was more frequent. I would have been none the wiser except that I used to listen to a lot of Reddit on YouTube. So, I waited and observed. These bouts of ignoring me would only last a couple of hours then she would be right back to normal. But after six months (wedding in a year) she was like this almost every night.
Sex was still great. Relationship with her parents still great, but over Thanksgiving at her parents’ home in Louisville, Kentucky (we lived just north of DC) she was standoffish towards me in front of her mother.
Now her mother was a very observant woman. She pulled her daughter aside to talk to her and I could hear them arguing. After some heated but muffled words they returned to the rest of the family and carried on like nothing was going on. I figured I could ask her about it later and did. She was not willing to talk about it and asked me to wait till we were home to discuss it. I agreed as I loved her deeply and thought we could work through anything.
Her mother was an older version of her. Same stunning looks (just a few grays in her long thick blonde hair). This is important later.
Back home I asked her about it, and she was unwilling to discuss it. When pressed on it for a week she finally confessed that a guy at her work was trying to get to know her better. She wanted to be forth coming so she showed me her phone and as I looked through it I noticed that all the texts that would have happened during the times she was withdrawing from me were removed. There was nothing untoward in the texts. But I did go into her phone settings and turned on her locator on her phone as we shared the same phone plan. And I honestly thought it would make me see that she was not doing anything wrong.
Was I wrong. That second weekend after Thanksgiving she had a company Christmas party. I had planned on going but came down with food poisoning and had to back out. She had a girlfriend pick her from our apartment as they planned on drinking a lot a had a DD for the evening. We had planned on going out all night so I told her to have a blast and I would see her in the morning.
So, as I’m puking my guts out and barely able to get off the toilet for more than thirty minutes, I grabbed my phone and watched her location. First it was a restaurant, then the venue of the company party, then a bar. None of this alarmed me until I saw her phone stop in a downtown hotel. At this point I was miserable in more ways than three. Projectile vomiting out my butt, mouth and now soul. I finally fell asleep due to sheer exhaustion at 2 AM. At 7 AM I awoke and saw she was still at the hotel.
At noon she finally comes home, and I am on the mend. She loves me up and I asked her about the previous night without mentioning anything about knowing her locations. She talks about the restaurant, party, the bar, but then says she went to her girlfriend’s house to crash for the evening. – first lie.
For the next three months she has to start working later and later three to four days a week. As I start asking her about it, she becomes more and more defensive. I talked to her mom one evening when fiancé didn’t come home until late. I asked her mom about the Thanksgiving conversation and she admitted to me that she thought her daughter might be stepping out of our relationship, because of how she read her body language. She also said that her daughter was being more and more distant with her in their weekly texting conversations.
With all this speculation that was going on in my mind I kept it to myself. Two weeks later at work I ended up getting a new project at my company that was going to require me to fly to the Midwest Monday through Friday for the next five weeks starting in two weeks. It came with an increase in salary and as I broke the news to my fiancé, she was delighted for me. I didn’t think though that she was excited for the same reasons I was. So, I went online and ordered four motion activated spy cameras for my apartment. I put one in the living room/entry area, one in the kitchen, one in our bedroom and one looking down our hallway. They were very small and connected to the internet via a hidden network so they couldn’t be spotted on the WiFi network. I secured the cams with a password and waited.
On my first week out she had girlfriends over the first two nights and never worked late once. The third night a guy came over. I was enraged. I’m sitting there in my hotel room screaming at the monitor and calling her every name in the book. Then they went all the way – first on the couch, then in our bed. She bent for ways for him that I didn’t know were possible. What was the worst was as I am watching them get it on I call her to see how her day went. She hears her phone ringing and holds her hand up for him to stop giving her anal and answers the call. I ask why she is breathing heavy and said she was at the gym working out. As soon as the call is over she goes right back to doing the dirty.
When I got home Friday evening, I ignored her and went right to bed, and early Saturday got up and went cycling. I was so upset that I didn’t even realize that I biked over fifty miles from our apartment. The furthest I had biked before was thirty miles. But that day I went 105.6 miles. Getting back absolutely exhausted I showered. Then she and I went out that evening and had fun with our friends and had A LOT to drink. (Is it breakup sex when the one you’re going to break up with is oblivious?)
I was bursting inside. Heartbreak, anger, rage feelings of betrayal all swirled around in my heart and mind. She, who used to be so attentive was oblivious to all this. It hurt so much because I loved her so much.
I finally confided in one of our mutual friends and he told me that they all knew about it for months! I was finally told – they all felt sorry for me, but no one again said a damn thing to me. Which is why they stopped inviting us out with them. I hadn’t noticed it before, but I could look back and see that about three months prior they gradually invited us/me less and less.
So, I figured I would try and win her back – the next weekend I planned the entire weekend as a complete weekend of spoiling her in every way. Wined and dined, pampering, massages, rubs, and talking to her about future plans and about how much I loved her. I knew I was starting to break through when after her forth glass of wine she started to cry, and I could tell the guilt was coming up to the surface.
I asked her what was wrong, but she would choke up every time she tried to speak. I then told her that if she did something in her past or was having some kind of conflict in her mind that she needed to speak to me about that I was more than willing to talk with her about it and if forgiveness was needed then I was more than willing to forgive and move on. The only words that came out of her mouth in her was how much she loved me.
It actually hurt to hear that from her as I now had four separate videos of her and the other guy in our apartment getting it on.
Over the next eight weeks of traveling to the Midwest (the trips lasted for what would be ten weeks) I recorded over 41 hours of her having sex with what I found out was her coworker. She never worked late once while I was gone.
I tried every weekend to be extra attentive and each week she got more and more distant. After watching this for eight weeks I was done so I devised a 12 step get away plan.

  1. Gather evidence
  2. Get her out of the way in order to execute my plan – I scheduled a two-week exclusive get away trip for us at an all-inclusive resort Barbados. She was ecstatic. Then a week before the trip I claimed I had to back out and told her to take a friend. (I knew it was over when she showed no disappointment that I couldn’t go.) She scheduled coworker to go with her.
  3. Terminate our apartment lease. (It would expire three days into her trip and I was the sole signature on the lease.)
  4. Find a job in another town. (The company I had been assisting in the Midwest had offered me a job at with a slight increase in salary.)
  5. Find a new place to live. (I got an apartment in the above said location.)
When she is gone perform the following:
  1. Take her to the airport, go back home and pack all her things (same day). Saturday
  2. Get a new phone numbephone/email. Cancel all social media. Monday
  3. Separate us completely in regard to finances. (Withdrew all monies from our joint accounts and then closed them. I put all her money in an envelope and packed it in her things.) Monday
  4. Have the movers pack all my things up and ship it west. Monday
  5. Take all her things to her mother’s house 600 miles away. All my fiancé’s belongings fit into the back and bed of my F-250 crew cab. Tuesday through Saturday.
  6. Give her mother the evidence.
  7. Start my new life.
I didn’t want to do anything that was illegal, so I made sure that nothing of hers was missing. It was so hard to pack all her stuff nice and neatly away. I never cried so hard in my life.
I have read so many times on Reddit about SO’s saying they will never do it again when caught, but they don’t stop. My hope was that she would genuinely confess so we could forgive and move on. She never did. Twice she came really close, but her secret was too hard for her to reveal.
Tuesday morning, I left our apartment north of DC for the last time. It took ten hours to get to her mom’s house.
What happened when I got there I was not prepared for.
I arrived at her mom’s house around eight in the evening. I figured she would be surprised to see me since I was coming down unannounced. Since they lived in a gated community, I had to buzz her house from the front gate, so she was waiting for me outside when I drove up.
I could tell that she had been crying when I walked up to see her. I asked her what was wrong and she hugged me balling that she thought her husband was cheating on her with a much younger, skinnier, and prettier woman. Dumbfounded I just held her for what was probably ten minutes. She soaked my right shoulder with her tears and snot.
When she finally composed herself, I asked if we could go in a talk. We went in and I asked where her husband was and she indicated that he said he was going fishing with his buddies at a remote cabin an hour away. Then she said, “he hates fishing!” She gave me all the indications that she had picked up on and apparently it had been going on for about a year.
So, doing a little bit of research we found a credit card hold charge for a 5-star hotel that was only twenty minutes away. On call later confirmed her husband was in fact there for a four night stay cheating with his mistress.
“Two peas in a pod.” I said. “What,” she responded. “Two peas in a pod.” I said again. “Your husband is cheating on you and your daughter is cheating on me. That’s why I came here to drop her stuff off and move to XXXX”
I showed her the evidence in a binder on screen captures I had made. After looking at the first three or four pages she looked at me dumbfounded. We both hugged and cried for a good thirty minutes. At that point she said stop crying and looked at me and said, “Well tonight there is nothing we can do about it except for you and I to knock out these three bottles of Moscato and fuck in every room of the house.”
She grabbed two wine glasses and a bottle of Moscato wine and walked out to their private pool deck saying, “Are you coming out here or are you going to get fucking revenge?”
Now I won’t go into much detail because I don’t want to get blue balls, but that night and for the next three days we fucked non-stop. I put myself in every hole her beautiful body could offer. I must have c**med in or on her 25+ times in that period.
After those days were over, we passionately said goodbye and I drove to my new destination.
She kept me informed as to everything that happened when now ex-fiancé got back.
The day fiancé got back was epic. I cancelled my phone the morning of the day she got back. So when the plane landed and she called for a ride it indicated the phone was disconnected. She apparently had her lover take her home. He dropped her off and left. When she came to the door a strange couple (new tenants) answered the door and she freaked out. I can’t tell you how many times she tried to call me because again the number was no longer valid. She went to her girlfriends to stay for a time as coworker was already married.
When she called her mom in a panic her mom told her that I had come down and dropped off all her things and mentioned that all her monies were down there as well. (600 miles away). Her mom didn’t tell her that she had f**ked me more in three days than fiancé and I had in the last six months. But she did tell her that she knew that she was cheating on me, and I said I had found a new job, place to stay and new career far away from her and all the “friends” we had. And that her mother was separating from her father due to infidelity.
Apparently she cried for days and took a week off of work. But alas she found comfort in the arms of her married lover.
Her Mom never let her know where I was at. I had completely cut off that part of my life. The only link I had to that old life was fiancé’s mom. And she has kept our secret to this day.
Fiancé was ghosted the mosted!!
TLDR: Fiance cheated. Ghosted her life to start my own. Got with her Mom.
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Just above the CFRIIA are round table groups which were initially named by Cecil Rhodes as the “Association of Helpers”. Cecil Rhodes set up the Rhodes Scholarships to recruit and bring top men from several nations to Oxford to be initiated into the Illuminati and to learn about how to bring in a One-World-Government
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It should be mentioned that some other prominent Illuminati families also play key roles in the drug trade such as the Bronfmans, Cabots, Shaws, Bacons, Perkins, Morgan, Forbes, Cisneros and Oppenheimers. Where have we seen such names before? There are names in Dope Inc. that people would do well to know the danger of such as Louis Mortimer Bloomfield, Robert Vesco, Francois Genoud of Switzerland, Ivan Slavkov of Bulgaria, the Duke of Kent - Master of the Grand Mother Lodge of the Scottish Rite, and Jardine Matheson to mention a few.
All our favorite secret fraternal groups appear in Dope, Inc. too. For instance, the Triads, P2 Masonry, regular Freemasonry, the CIA, the Order of St. John, and the Jesuits. The Universal Christian Gnostic Church’s which practices black magic has a whole chapter showing its connection to the drug trade. Britain’s assassination bureau Permindex which has been mentioned previously in this newsletter also gets a chapter in the book.
In the Be Wise As Serpents book, I examine in detail only the Rothschilds and the Russells. I did not present much to back up my statements about the 13 families. Further, One of the unthinkable items that most people do not want to consider is that their leaders who they have idolized may be utterly corrupt. There was nothing to do but sit down and give the nitty-gritty details if the threat from the Illuminati was to be properly understood.
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When one thinks of the name McDonald one immediately thinks of the fast food hamburger chain which has francises all over the world. The McDonald’s Corp. has been rumored for years to be connected to Satanism. In fact a book which tries to debunk belief in a Satanic conspiracy entitled Satan Wants You reported the rumor that Mc Donald’s owner Ray Kroc tithed to the Church of Satan. (see Satan Wants You, pg. 140).
R Kroc does spend time with NWO elites and is a member of the Bohemian Grove. There is no doubt that the McDonald’s Corp. has an inside track with the Illuminati, because the U.S. government has given according to one source 40 million dollars in public tax money to McDonalds to help them set up McDonald Restaurants in foreign countries under the disguise that this was money spent on foreign policy.
1991, the total of McDonald outlets (restaurants) in the 3 primary European nations of Britain, France and West Germany totalled 959 restaurants.
In spite of the millions of dollars of tax dollars the U.S. has given to McDonalds Corp., the money doesn’t seem to be directly connected to the McDonalds family, because the McDonalds family (Richard and Maurice McDonald known as ‘Dick" and "Mac") which started the restaurants in 1937 were bought out by Ray Kroc around 1954.
The time Ray Kroc had bought out the McDonald brothers, they had a very successful business going. The McDonald brothers lived in the rich section of San Bernadino, and had around 11 McDonald restaurants. The brothers made about $100,000 profit a year and were quite content.
The McDonalds had designed the golden arches and had put together the tast food concept and had been selling franchises. However, the McDonalds were too content. The McDonalds didn’t want to expand, and when Ray Kroc formed McDonald’s System. Inc. on Mar. 2, 1955 after buying out the brothers with borrowed money, he vigourously went to work to develop Mconalds into the International Francise that it is.
Ray Kroc (bn. 10/5/1902) in Oak Park. Chicago) lived frugally for many years putting his whole life into building up the McDonald’s francise. It was his drive that took a good idea and changed it from a success in Hollywood and San Bernadino into an international success. Ray Kroc knew a good idea when he saw it, and developed other people’s good ideas into a great success.
James A. Collins, chairman of Collins Foods International, now the largest Kentucky Fried Chicken franchisee and the operator of Sizzler Restaurants talked about his time with the McDonalds in 1952, ‘There was a fraternity of us, and every one of us saw the McDonald’s in San Bernadino and basically copied it after the boys
[the McDonald brothers gave us a tour." "We all took our lessons from the Mcdonald brothers," Collins remembers. The concepts that francises pay for the McDonald brothers were giving out free, and Collins turned around and began getting $100 a day training people from Carnation, with the concepts that the McDonalds had shared.
Henry’s Drive Ins and Ken’s were McDonald look-alikes that started from people trained by Collins. Glen Bell who started Taco Bell, who patronized the McDonald’s main restaurant in San Bernandino started Taco Bell from ideas from McDonalds. The first year Collins imitated McDonalds with his own fast food restaurant, Collins made $80,000 a year take home pay.
The McDonald brothers became a part of the local elite of San Bernadino, CA along side such rich local families as Guthrie, Stater, and Harris. Readers are reminded of all the articles in my newsletters about how San Bernadino is a major headquarters for the Illuminati and Satanic Hubs because there are so many thousands of practicioners of black magic in the area. I do know from working with survivors of the Illuminati that the McDonald family has part of their people in the Illuminati.
H far back does the McDonald family go in the occult? The McDonald family was a Scottish clan that was part of Druidism. Many of the McDonald have gone on to serve Christ. However, there is still a large powerful contingent of the McDonald family which is connected to the Mystery Religions, and which has family members who are part of the Illuminati. Each of the major Scottish clans had an area that they controlled of Scotland.
The McDonalds controlled the islands and coastal areas on the west coast of Scotland. When the Knights Templars tied persecution, in order to escape the various british fleets, they sailed a route that took them to western Scotland.
Duri the time of King Philippe IV of France. the McDonalds were involved in the movement of the Knights Templars. The Knights Templars had adopted gnostic/satanic practices during the centuries they guarded the pilgrims in the Middle East. The Order had also become the International Bankers of Europe and large landowners in Europe.
King of France twisted the Pope’s arm (so to speak) to get him to go along with a campaign to eliminate the Knights Templars. Because the McDonald clan was in private still pagan. they were willing to help the Knights Templar escape the Pope’s decree against the Templars.
The Knights Templars were not the only International Bankers to move north. Later, during the 16th & 17th century, the elite satanic banking families moved their operations from southern Europe to Antwerp Flanders and then on to Amsterdam. Many of the Knights Templars lied to Scotland, where they helped Bruce, the King of Scotland.
When the English invaded Scotland they were defeated by Bruce in an important battle named Bannockburn. Bannockburn kept Scotland free from England for the next 289 years. The Knights Templars fought with Bruce in the battle under the command of Angus Og McDonald, who was a large Scottish landowner and a friend of Bruce. Angus Og McDonald had previously in the 1308 time period given protection to the Knights Templars.
T Knights Templars brought their treasures and their military might to Scotland & to the McDonalds. Many of the Knights Templars went on to the Orkeney Is., but some stayed in Scotland and became important in the occult world.
The descendents of these Knights are still guarding some important occult relics, which may be revealed in the next few years. The Sinclair family has been part of the Prieure de Sion, Freemasonry and the Illuminati. Vice-pres. of the Sinclair Oil & Gas Co. in Tulsa in ’59-’61 was Marshall McDonald, who was an active Freemason who married into the Collins family. Note that the cities/towns Tulsa, Wagoneer, Muskogee, Broken Arrow in Okla. are totally controlled by the Illuminati.
Tatmosphere in these little towns SW of Tulsa has been described as oppressive & prone to violence by people who have lived in them. One of the lodge systems set up by the Illuminati was the Jacobin Club (originally known as Club Breton). Its Jacobite members got financing from the Illuminati and were a big part of the cause of the French Revolution. The Jacobites also played a role in the early history of the United States and the American Revolution.
The Jacobites had a number of aristocrats who were also secret Satanists as their leaders. They had a lodge in Rome. One of the Scottish Jacobites was Flora Macdonald. She saved Prince Charles Edward’s life. Etienne Jacques Joseph Alexandre Macdonald (Scottish blood) was a 330 Freemason & also an officer who fought on the side of the French Revolution. He went on to become a Marshall in the French army. In 1805. he became the Grand Administrator of the Grand Lodge Symbolique in France.
SOME NOTABLE MCDONALDS INCLUDE:
Ramsay McDonald--British Prime Minister during 1920s privy to insider info, and who was in favor of working with communist Russia. Ramsey McDonald was a member of the Fabian Society working for a socialist one-world government. He rubbed shoulders with Anne Besant and Clarke a disciple of llluminatus Mazzani.
Alexander McDonald (?-1910)- Pres. of Standard Oil of KT, bn. in Scotland, lived in Clifton, OH
Alonzo Lowry McDonald- U.S Marine (’50-’52), Member CFR, Illuminati, Lived in London, Zurich, and Paris. Asst to Pres. U.S. White House Staff Director 79-81
Angus Daniel McDonald (1878-1941)- Railroad pres. w/ all types of railroad leadership positions, Trustee of Notre Dame, Knight of Malta, member Bohemian Club
David George McDonald--Did secret medical & psychological research including secret research for the Neuropsychiatrical Research Unit in San Diego for the U.S. Navy in ‘62-63.
Donald S. McDonald--Bilderberger Steering Committee (this is the select Illuminati group of men who actually run the Bilderbergers), Canadian Minister of Defense, Trilateral Commission, Canada’s Institute of International Affairs (the equivalent of our CFR). and the director of the following: DuPont of Canada. the elites Shell Can Ltd., McDonald Douglas Corp., etc.
Christopher W. MacDonald - member of Bohemian Grove
Edmund B. MacDonald--member of Bohemian Grove Frank Bethume McDonald--NASA scientist involved with sending Pioneer 10 & 11 to Jupiter
George G. McDonald--member of Bohemian Grove
Graeme L. MacDonald--member of Bohemian Grove Dr. Gordon McDonald--astrophysicist who wrote that ‘enhanced electrical oscillations in the earth s atmosphere might be used to impair human brains..
Harold D. Macdonald--high ranking occultist in the SRICF which is a branch of the SRIA, which started many of the Satanic Kaballistic groups such as the OTO, the Golden Dawn, etc. Lived in Massachusetts.
Ian Bruce McDonald--member of Bohemian Grove
Prof. Dr. James E. McDonald--suicided by CIA after discovering their involvement with UFOs, McDonald had addressed the UN’s Outer Space Affairs Group concerning UFOs on 7 June 67. Why was this very informed scientist suicided?
Jeffry R. McDonald--A Grn. Beret doctor whose family was murdered by the satanic cult that Alinea Stockley belonged to. Ted Gunderson tried to help him legally. The murder was to hide an army/CIA/Satanic drug oper. Sir John A. McDonald (1815 -1891) - 1st Prime Minister of Canada, Freemason, Knight of the Order of Bath, Knights Templar, and member Lafayette Royal Arch Chapter, of Wash. D.C.
John Bartholomew McDonald (1844-1911)--Due to his father’s connections with the corrupt Tammany Hall in NY this railway engineer and railway executive was able to get important jobs. John built the NY subway system and when he died the electricity in all the subway system was shut off for 2 min. in respect. He built the Vanderbilt tunnels north of 42nd St. NY & other items. John Cecil McDonald (1924-) --32° Freemason, Shriner, National Republican Chrmn, on the Court of U.S Military Appeals, delegate to Rep. Nat. Convention in ‘64, ‘72, ’76, ’80, ‘84
John Garwin McDonald--oil executive John Warlick McDonald, Jr. (1922-) --llluminati member, lives in Arlington, VA. was with the U.S. Supreme Court 1951, was with the U S Military Govt. running Occupied German after W W Il--see the Krupp Illuminati family article in this newsletter.
Worked with NATO, CENTO, CA, National War College, the UN, the State Dept., went to numerous (almost countless) UN conferences for the U.S. He was the U.S’s coordinator for the UN’s Drinking water work. He is a member of the Cosmos Club, and the Club of Rome.
Lovatt McDonald-Pres. of Draycott who has worked with P2 Freemasons in secret arm smuggling deals Linda McDonald--victim of Monarch Mind Control programming by Dr Ewen Cameron (Dr. White of the Illuminati) at Allan Memorial Hospital. Linda McDonald at the age of 58 and living at Vancouver, B.C. was able to prove that Cameron did programming using drugs, electroshock, psychic driving, depatterning, etc.)
She has no memory of her childhood, but was able to prove that in 1963 at age 26 she was given mind control programming. Because the CIA had funded Cameron, the U.S. Fed. govt. gave her via the Canadian govt. a $100,000 settlement, if she would not talk. A newspaper did pick up on the settlement on 11/18/92 and I have reproduced that news article at the end of this article. The money was hush money, for it was stipulated for the $100,000 out of court settlement, Linda would keep quiet about her mind control.
Robert A. McDonald--member of Bohemian Grove W. Patrick McDonald--member of Bohemian Grove Walter Joseph McDonald- important CIA officer, Cath., lived in Annapolis, MD, bn. in Boston, MS.
McDonalds are publishers of occult books in the U.K.
MCDONALDS WHO AUTHORED OCCULT BOOKS & other notable titles.
Douglas R. MacDonald--The Scot’s Book of Lore and Folklore
George McDonald--Wise Woman & Other Fantasy Stories (part of a series on the fantasy stories of George McDonald.)
John McDonald--The Magic Story Message of a Master
John Warlick McDonald, Jr.--The North-South Dialogue & the United Nations pub. by Georgetown Univ.
Michael MacDonald--Mystical Bedlam, publ. by Cambridge Univ. Press
Reby E. MacDonald--The Ghosts of Austwick Manor and A Contemporary Collection on Loan from the Rothschild Bank AG, Zurich
The McDonalds and MacDonalds (and some of the Donalds) are descendents from King Somerled. King Somerled helped expel the Vikings (Norsemen) from Scotland. King Somerled’s son was Ranald and Ranald’s son was named Donald.
The Grandson then became Argus Mor McDonald (mac means "son of") Argus’s grandson married MacRorie and became Lordship of the Isles. The McDonalds were the chiefs of that area. Families that sought their protection sometimes took their name too.
So it is not inconceivable that some of the Knights Templar bloodlines ended up one way or the other as McDonald. The powerful McDonald of Glencoe lived in Glencoe until the 1692 massacre by the English government against Francis Stewart sympathizers. Francis Stewart was the Grand Master of the witchcraft covens in that area of Scotland. and the McDonalds were supporters of him. Also in the 17th century the McDonalds were forced to participate with others in piracy.
There are some powerful Stewarts (also spelled Stuart) in the Illuminati today, some who are friends with the Rockefellers. At least one Stewart intermarried with a Rockefeller. Another Stewart has family members who own a series of theaters in California which have secret tunnels to day care centers so that children can be ritually abused and programmed.
(This Stewart had a father in Satanism who was associated with the Hungarian palace.) James C. Stewart, a member of the Illuminati, built the Mormon’s capital building in Salt Lake City, 60 Wall Tower in NY, and the Savoy Hotel in London that the Illuminati use for their Pilgrim Society headquarters. James belonged to the Pilgrim Soc. too. Now that the reader knows this, he or she will understand why this author did a doubletake when I ran across Stewart McDonald, who was the director of Savoy Plaza Hotel, in New York. a place frequented by the elite. Stewart McDonald was president of Army War Shows in ’42-’43.
The article on the Van Duyns in this newsletter to understand the connections between the Army War Shows and the secret mind-control ops done in W.W.ll under the auspices of the Illuminati. Stewart McDonald was also the police commissioner in corrupt St. Louis, MO and the Fed. Housing Administrator for Wash. D.C., as well as being an auto manufacturer. There is a Stuart who actually has a stronger claim to the throne of England than Queen Elizabeth.
He is 11th in line as a claimant, while she is only 13th. His claim is a carefully preserved secret by the media. Queen Elizabeth is of the Hannover Dynasty which is part of the 13th Illuminati bloodline. This Stuart claimant was recently asked if he would like to have the throne of the newly formed nation of Estonia, but he rejected it. The Stuart bloodline and their henchmen have been an important part of the leadership of Freemasonry down through the centuries.
The Scottish Stewart family, as well as the Cameron, Campbell, Douglas, Hamilton, and Montgomery scottish families were originally powerful families that came from Flanders area (now Belgium & north. France) which is today a strong point for the Illuminati. These families emigrated to Scotland in the 12th century and were part of the strong occult bonds between Scotland and the Flanders area.
(Today, Flanders is divided between northern France and Belgium.) Later, Flanders became a banking center for the International Bankers. The Hungarian occult world also connects to Scotland with such ancient historical figures as Saint Margaret (a Hungarian noble), whose husband Malcolm Ceanmor murdered in real life Macbeth. Her son David introduced feudalism into Scotland, and she herself brought in Catholic Priests.
There are many occult ties between Scotland. Flanders, Hungary, and Rome. Parts of the McDonalds continue to practice Druidism, which was the original religion prior to the Christians. The McDonald heritage goes back to the Picts and Gaelic people. Some of the McDonalds have become part of the Catholic hierarchy. I believe I know of five MacDonalds which have become Air Marshalls (top rank) in the British RAY.
The names of these RAF Marshalls are: Someried Douglas McDonald, Thomas Conchar McDonald, Sir William McDonald, Air Commander John C. McDonald, and Major General John Frederick Matheson McDonald. The NWO has been called the Air Dictatorship because the NWO’s air power will be so important, so it is significant that the RAF has had so many high officers who were MacDonalds. Just one example of the tie-ins, the british Minister of Aviation Roy Jenkins (64-65) has been part of the Trilateral Commission.
Thomas Conchar MacDonald did secret research for the Air Ministry after WW II. He went to the Univ. of Glasgow. Another Marshall Sir William Laurence Niary) MacDonald was involved with British Air Force Intelligence. A number of other McDonalds have worked for intelligence agencies to, incl. David George McDonald, James Nlichael McDonald, Jr. etc. William McDonald was a doctor who worked with FDR in 1925.
Henry Ford also spent time with a doctor named William McDonald. A number of McDonalds are Bankers (or important in the Stock Markets) and in an attempt to keep this article brief I’ll just list some of them: Andrew Jewett McDonald (Yale, USAF), Archibald MacDonald, Allen Colfax McDonald, Angus Daniel McDonald, John Garwin McDonald, William Henry McDonald (Can.), and Witten McDonald. Archibald NiacDonald is director of Joseph Freeman, Sons & Co., Ltd. as well as being important in other things.
The Freeman family is one of the top 13 bloodlines and connects to the Prieure de Sion. Sir Peter George MacDonald has heen the director of Guardian Assurance Co. Ltd. which also has connections to the Freeman family and the Prieure de Sion. There are a long list of McDonalds who have served various governments all over the world in leadership positions. Danny Lee McDonald of Tulsa, OK served on the corrupt Federal Election Commission (’82-’83) as its vice-chairman, and from ‘83 onward he served as its chairman. William C. McDonald was the first state governor of New Mexico from 1911-17. The Freemasons ran the state at that time.
This author would wear the readers patience thin by describing all the McDonald’s who have been in important government jobs. The policeman who found Lee Harvey Oswald after JFK was shot was a McDonald. This policeman was then assigned to protect Marinna Oswald (the widow of Lee Harvey Oswald).
This heavy-set policeman McDonald (who attends the Oakridge Christian Church) has appeared on television recently such as on Channel 32, on Top Cops at 7:25 p.m. where he speaks out against conspiracy theories in the JFK assassination. The entire arrest of Oswald by M.N. McDonald is filled with questions.
Jack Ruby was in the same theater. Oswald tried to shoot McDonald with an unloaded gun. Some unknown person had tipped McDonald off that Oswald was in the theater, and the police had for some reason already decided Oswald was guilty because while arresting him the policeman was heard saying by witnesses, "Kill the President, will you." And yet the Warren Commission said that Oswald was not a suspect until later. This is just one place of many where the McDonald family connects in with the larger Satanic conspiracy.
Jack Ruby was involved with the Carousel Club which was tied to the Monarch Project. The assassination of JFK was done through Permindex, which was set up by Louis Mortimer Bloomfield, who worked for the Illuminati in SOE (British Special Operations Executive) within the US Army Intelligence.
He worked for OSS and ran the FBI's Counter Intelligence Div. 5, while working for British SOE and the Illuminati. George DeMohrenschildt, Oswald’s best friend or closest contact was himself an ex-Nazi spy who worked for the CIA. The Mob’s'connections to the Top 13 Illuminati families is explained in the Van Duyn family article in this newsletter. Bear in mind, the mob had turned against JFK too.
In summary. Some of the McDonalds have held important positions for the Illuminati, and part of the McDonald descendents are in the Illuminati. You will also find McDonalds very active in Protestantism and Catholicism.
The McDonald family’s involvement with the occult goes clear back to Druidism, and then the protection & leadership they gave to the Knights Templars. Today, some of the McDonalds are Barons, some are Bankers & some are leading intelligence and military men. > > EXHIBIT NEXT PAGE. News article that shows Linda McDonald was awarded hush money by the Canadian govt. & the CIA for MK-Ultra Mind Control program.
Brainwash victims
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Ottawa denies responsibility
for experiments
By Bob Cox
The Canadian Press
OTTAWA — The federal govern-ment will pay $100,000 each to vic-ims of brainwashing experiments funded by Canada and the CIA be-tween 1950 and 1965, Justice Minister Kim Campbell announced Tuesday. Ottawa is paying the money to avoid legal claims by victims or the experiments carried out by Dr. Ewen Cameron at Montreal’s Allan Memorial Institute. As many as 80 people were Involved, but It’s not clear how many are still alive and eligible for the payments. Campbell said the government still does not admit any legal liability or responsibility, but is paying the money on compassionate and humanitarian grounds. But Linda Macdonald, a Van. couver woman who launched the court case that forced the settlement, said she considers the pay- ments an admission of responsibility and a symbolic apology.
My biggest concern has always been that the federal government acknowledge its responsibilIty in funding the experiments, so that we can hope that such abuse of patients rIghts will never happen again in this country," she said. Macdonald, now 55, underwent "depatterning" at Allan Memorial in 1903.
As a mother of flve children under four years old, she was sent to the Institute suffering from fatigue and depression. She was treated as a schizo-phrenic, though never diagnosed as such. She was heavily drugged, kept asleep for 86 days, given over 100 electroshock treatments and subjected to "psychic "driving She emerged five later barely able to function She couldn't read or write, use a toilet, drive a car, cook a meal or make a bed. She didn’t remember her husband, children or the first 26 years other life."
1 accept the governments symbolic apology through compensation, but no amount of money can compensate me for the loss of memory . . and the enormous difficulties my family and I have suffered Macdonald said in a state-ment. She was in Los Angeles on tues-day. talking to film producers about her story. Former patients at the Allan Memorial have sought compensation from both the Canadian and U.S. government for years.
The US. Central Intelligence Agency, wanting to learn more about brainwashing and psycho-logical deprogramming, covertly gave $85,000 to Cameron between 1957 and 1962. Canada, as part of a national program of health care grants, gave about $70,000 between 1950 and 1954 and again between 1961 and 1964.
The experiments ended in 1965. Canadian officials later said they dIdn’t know of the CIA funding. In 1988, the U.S. Justice Department reached an out-of-court settlement that gave about $100,000 to each of nine Canadians treated under Cameron’s CIA-funded ex-periments.T he Canadian government helped pay legal bills for those Canadians who sued the United States, but balked at paying Its own compensation.
A 1986 report by George Coo-per, a Halifax lawyer and former Conservative MP, absolved Cana-dian authorities of any blame and described Cameron’s work as "in-cautious but not irresponsible." But Thomas Berger, Mac-Donald’s lawyer, presented a re-port to the government in 1990 challenging Cooper’s conclusions One u.s. doctor likened Cam-eron’s research to brainwashing techniques used In Chinese prisons.
A Justice Department official said he did not know how many people are eligible for the $100,000 payments. A number of former patients have already died. Only people still alive can apply for compensation. People can call a toll-free number — 1-800-267 4988 — for more information.
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What was your typical pay for a job? I had a base salary of $40k per year. I was also eligible for a bonus/commission depending on the video I was able to obtain.
What was the most you were ever paid for a job and why was that worth alot more money? I once received a $1500 commission for catching an attorney at a golf course while he was claiming disability. It was worth a lot because of the guys career and 'what he was giving up due to his disability'. He was BS'ing of course.
Plus expenses? Yes, the company paid all of my meals, lodging, etc.
How many of your jobs were typical "my wife/husband is cheating, etc."? I did maybe 4 or 5 divorce type cases. Those were the worst!
Were you ever commissioned by a corporation for a job? I was never really commissioned by any other corporations for jobs.
I noticed you said you worked for a company. I was always under the impression that PIs work exclusively, instead of a firm-like business. Can you describe how the economics of your profession work? We worked in the insurance biz, our main clients were the companies that insured the large freight companies (think semi-trucks). You'd be surprised at how big the industry is, especially with the economy being in the toilet. The company I worked for was a smaller company, maybe a total of 10 employees, we were ALWAYS SWAMPED! My job was to videotape claimants then put together reports we'd send to our clients. I was in the office one day a week at most. Lots of alone time.
Were you ever caught "spying" on someone by the person you were investigating? If so what happen. Claimant says, "I know you've been following me all day, I think it's time you get a real job and the fuck out of Aspen"
I say, "That's fine, but what about the last four days I've been here?"
The gears started turning in her head. I had caught the woman at the gym, landscaping around her house, hiking in the mountains, you name it.
She then says, "I've been in my house the whole time"
I then asked, "So, ya' going for another hike today"
She started crying and left ...
Once isnt bad going :) I am sure it the whole insurance thing is tricky, you can't really live that lie forever. Yeah the travel and being away from home all the time finally caught up to me.
What were the highlights of the Job and what was the complete downside, of course aside from being on the road every week? The best part was being in random cities and meeting so many people. I concluded that Denver has some of the most attractive women and Memphis is my least favorite place in the world. I also ate like a KING!
The downside was that I was fresh out of college and still in college mode. The job completely ruined the joys of travelling for me. I hate airports, suitcases, shuttles, etc. I also hate subway as a result of the job. Also, my friends always knew when I was out on surveillance because I'd blow up their phones when I got bored.
Blow up their phones when I got bored. I would call/text friends when I would get bored ...
What do you mean by that?? Then if they didn't answer I'd text them plastic explosives ...
What sort of basic "kit" I should say, did you always have on you? HD video camera w/100x optical zoom, voice recorder, binoculars, pen/paper, 32 oz. gatorade x3, granola bars, an occasional red bull/monster, change of clothes in case you needed to throw on jeans, and cash.
I also had a portable dvd player and would usually have a magazine of some sort. It was very frowned upon to read/watch a movie while you're on surveillance but everyone did it.
How about a .45? Did you ever need one? If we're talking malt-liquor, everyday! haha.
There was really only 2 or 3 times I thought I was in physical danger. Mind you, I played collegiate football and I'm not a small guy. Did you ever see Pineapple Express? I would occasionally have to do process server work ... that shit would get ugly real quick! People don't like finding out they're being sued! I had one guy in Memphis chase me for two blocks with a tire iron ... f'ng hate Memphis.
So you're saying you did have a gun? :) Haha just a nerf gun ...
Pfft, not a supersoaker then. Lots of liability issues w/supersoakers or something ...
How did you get involved in this sort of business? The girl I was dating at the time had a sister who was dating a manager at the company ...
They came to me, completely lucked out!
Most dangerous assignment? Garfield Park, Chicago. Not a great place to be a white boy. It made trying to go the bathroom really interesting.
The guy was a tow truck driver and typically would start work around midnight. It was horrible. Imagine how suspicious people were when they saw a white guy in his early 20's driving around in a mini-van while holding a video-camera ...
I live in Chicago and this does not at all surprise me. Yeah, some rough areas on the South Side.
So, has it changed you on how you view people? Are you a "paranoid" person? Ex. ops are always on the job even off duty does it happen to you? I've been away from it for awhile but it really opened my eyes to how much of a problem insurance fraud is in our country.
I'm a bit paranoid about people who sit in their vehicle for a long time. I'm also paranoid of unfamiliar vehicles on my block.
Thanks for the answer, IMO we do have a large amount of "frauders" i can't point fingers but some people seem to want to get the easy way out every time. It's everywhere you look to be honest. I followed an oral-surgeon taking home hundreds of thousands and I followed a cab-driver living in a closet-sized studio in the Bronx ...
Is this an easy job to get?/How much experience do you need for this job? - On a scale of 1-10 (10 being most), how boring of a job is this? - Do you enjoy traveling? - Do you feel like a spy/secret agent? Or does the act get old fast? I can't really comment on how easy it was to get the job, I lucked out and knew people. I had no experience, they hired me right out of college.
The job is either a 10 or a 2. It's a 10 when the claimant is out being active. It's a 2 when you're stuck in your vehicle trying to not fall asleep.
I'm indifferent on travel, I don't like the process but I like the reward of getting to a destination. I HATE airports, security, living out of a suitcase etc. The job turned me into a bit of a homebody for awhile ...
There were many times I felt like a spy, it's always fun to carry around a badge and flash it at the asshole that cuts you off on the freeway. It's also a lot of fun to casually flash your badge while paying for something ...
"There were many times I felt like a spy, it's always fun to carry around a badge and flash it at the asshole that cuts you off on the freeway. It's also a lot of fun to casually flash your badge while paying for something ... " If you had taken off the blinders you'd notice multiple times I stated the travel caught up with me and I began to loathe the entire process.
Really? In the State of Illinois? Good thing you didn't make it far in the business because that's actually a criminal act in many states. Then again maybe the reason you're no longer in it is because you were caught. You caught me ... I have a sneaking suspicion you're a Bears fan ... you mad bro?
Did you have to pay for you own van/supplies? It seems like a lot of job postings are requiring "Your own reliable vehicle, computer, etc. You should look into the staffing/recruiting industries. They like to hire people with CJ backgrounds ...
Tell some funny stories? I once followed an assistant volleyball coach at a Big 10 University. I followed her to a 'mega-gym' type place. She ended up doing some yoga/pilates class outside. Imagine me sitting on a park bench 40 yards away with a video camera videotaping a bunch of 20/30 something women wearing spandex. She was quite attractive ...
I once followed a girl who was a cashier at the Mall of America. I was paid to hang out at the mall for 3 days. I would walk by her place of employment about once every hour, pretend to be a tourist, take some video, then head back to the food court.
I followed a couple living outside of Atlanta to a Georgia Bulldogs football game. That was a good time, wish I could've gone into the game. I was down there during the huge gas shortage, while waiting to get gas once I must have 'budged' some woman in line. She was black, I'm white, she got out of her jalopy and started screaming 'McCain Lover'!
You weren't noticed walking the same bit over and over again? I already feel slightly watched if I double back where I came from once! Nah never noticed while at the mall, people have tunnel vision as they go about their daily routines and this girl was no different.
How do you stay inconspicuous? I would try to stay near groups of people and make sure she never had a direct line of sight with me ... it's easier than you'd think.
Haha. The Mall of America would be a good place to stake someone out- lots of random stuff to see when you're bored. Some solid people watching there, that's for sure!
This reminds me of blending in Assassins creed. Spot on!
I lived in Memphis for almost a decade and I can agree, it sucks. What are some of your stories about that city? I stayed at what I thought would be a nice Double Tree, I get in late and I'm climbing in the bed and find half a tuna sandwich in the bed.
I sat down at a BBQ joint just south of the city, have a table to myself and 3 black guys sit at my table, tell me I'm at the wrong place and I should 'get the hell on'. I showed 'em my badge and asked em if they wanted to try that again. They changed their tone pretty quick. If they only knew haha!
There just seemed to be a lot of racial tension in the city. I hated it.
Yeah im a white guy and I totally understand about the racial tension. I would have liked to have taken advantage of that situation and sit with them and ask them why do all that? I was thinking the same thing after the fact.
In their defense I should've known better, I was in black community and should've just waited until I was back near downtown to grab a bite. What can ya' do ya know? I'm lucky they dropped it when they saw the badge ... probably wasn't the smartest move on my part ...
This is so interesting! My boss works for an insurance company and she tells the PI's where to go/who to watch. I love hearing her stories about crazy shit that goes down sometimes in mediation after they're done gathering the surveillance. What would you say is the biggest fraud you've caught someone trying commit? Having to go to court/mediation was AWFUL!
I had to follow an oral-surgeon in Denver. The woman was loaded, had an awesome condo in downtown Denver, drove a real jazzy M6 BMW. Well she was claiming the accident she was in ruined her career. She was looking for a settlement in the millions, our client was set to pay it but figured what the hell, lets do surveillance for the hell of it.
First day I'm there she doesn't leave until about 6pm that Friday, she leaves with her boyfriend to some fancy steakhouse in downtown Denver right by Coors Field. I show up the next morning bright and early hoping to catch this tramp. A few hours later I see her 6 series leaving the parking garage with her driving and her boyfriend in the passenger seat. I follow them for about 10 minutes and they pull up to a park in the city. They both go to the trunk and start pulling out tennis equipment, jackpot! I ended up with about two hours of film with this woman playing tennis.
About what percentage of your subjects were guilty? Did you still submit evidence when a person was innocent? I'd say 9/10 were guilty and committing fraud.
And yes, we'd always have to submit the video we took, whether it was them playing golf all day or simply taking integrity video of their home ... we'd still always submit our findings.
What is "integrity video"? Does that refer to the integrity of the person making the claim or does it have something to do with their home? Integrity video is the process of taking video of the claimant's house/property every 30-45 min. It helps prove to the client that we're out there doing our job and watching the residence.
I apologize for not clearing this up earlier!
Mind if you tell us why you had to follow the stripper? Not a problem.
I mentioned earlier our main clients were companies that insured the large trucking lines. Well she was rear-ended by a semi-driver. Claiming she couldn't work, having troubles with her mobility, taking care of her kid, etc.
They (our client) then had our company look into her background, employment, etc. They ultimately decided they wanted to move forth with a 2 day surveillance on her ... so off I went.
Ahh ic ic! Your job sounds like fun! I always thought about doing private investigation after university for just a little bit. It had it's major ups and downs. There would be days when a claimant would never step foot out of their house. Imagine sitting in a van/suv by yourself for 7-10 hours.
You'd be amazed at the things you can come up with to entertain yourself!
Are you considered a police officer or a civilian? Police aren't to fond of PI's to be honest, especially in really rural areas. We're considered civilians.
What a boss. yeah, i feel like reading and xwords would be the best...other than reddit! did you ever smoke weed or anything on the job, or was it like drug test city for any potential employees? I never got into smoking weed honestly. I was drug tested almost weekly in college for athletics so it was never really an option. I've done it maybe 4 times in my entire life. The last time I did I was a wreck! I had a paper due the next day and when I woke up the next morning to read it ... holy shit! It was supposed to be a paper on the death penalty, I wrote about my favorite childhood cartoon, TaleSpin ...
Would you fly to locations generally or drive out to them? Act as casual as possible all the time. If I ended up following someone and would be stopped behind them at a stop-light I'd start air-drumming, pretend to be on my phone, and pretend the person in front of me didn't exist. Shorts and a t-shirt every chance you get, people always notice those who are dressed nice. Basically try to look like a slob ... I would fly to anything that wasn't in Illinois, Wisconsin, or Iowa. I would then grab a rental car from Enterprise, drive to my hotel, sleep, then start my surveillance the next day.
Thoughts on Salt Lake City, Reno, or Spokane? I loved Reno, I spent 4 days there following around a woman competing in some huge national bowling tournament. Luck would have it, my hotel room was actually right down the hallway from theirs. I've only visited Salt Lake to see friends, we spent the whole time snowboarding and getting drunk. So, naturally, I loved Salt Lake.
I would fly to anything that wasn't in Illinois, Wisconsin, or Iowa. Was the company you worked for in a far NW suburb of Chicago by chance? When I graduated college I interviewed for a private investigator job at a small company in a Chicago suburb and was wondering if it was the same place. Indeed it was ... Arlington Heights/Schaumburg'ish area ...
Wow, that wasn't the same company I interviewed at. The place I interviewed at was in Hampshire and practically in the middle of a field. Good ol' Hampshire, they were in our conference in high-school. Chik-N-Dip???
Can you elaborate on the badge you had? are PIs considered cops or do they just get a badge saying they are a PI and it looks alot like a police badge, so people just believe you when you say youre a cop? what actual rights, if any, does that badge you had give you? Link to images.landofnod.com
Looked something like the above link ...
In all seriousness, we were licensed through the state, had to have a valid PERC card. Carrying a badge was something our company had us do. I think it was a safety thing to be honest. I carried mine in a wallet built specifically for a badge. The badge gave me no rights whatsoever ... It said state of Illinois and had some numbers on it, it looked official but was worth fuckall ...
Nice. smart company. Did anyone ever ask for a closer look at the badge? I never had anyone ask fortunately ... I'm guessing I'd be in for a major ass beating if they looked closely haha!
Sounds like you've spent a lot of time sitting in a parked van or following people around - that would freak a lot of people out. Has anyone ever called the cops on you? I was 'made' twice in two years of doing the job. The cops will show up and you simply tell them what you're doing and they leave you alone.
The worst is in rural towns though. Everyone knows eachother so if you get caught, the whole town will know about it in a matter of minutes.
Do you have any interesting/funny cheating stories? I only did a few cheating/divorce type surveillances. The one that stands out was in St. Louis. The woman I was following stopped by a daycare to pick up her kids, she then drops 'em off at this HUGE mansion outside of St. Louis where a nanny answers the door, later confirmed this to be the ex-husbands house. On the way back to her car she keys the shit out of his car! The guy was driving a nice S-class Mercedes. I got the whole thing on tape, she ended up having to pay for the damages ... it was pretty comical...
Why do criminals always seem to have El Dorados? It's like a staple in a film that a crime boss or something will have one. El Dorado +10 to street cred.
Anyway, thanks for the answer. I'm going to go back to laughing at the clever pun in your name. Anytime, glad you were able to get a chuckle.
Were there ever legality issues regarding your recordings? I know some states require both parties to be aware an audio recording is takin place. Is that not true for video recordings? Or was it because you were typically parked and filming from a public area that it was all legal? I guess I'm just curious about the legality of an investigator filming someone's private residence, or filming someone inside a private business without their consent. Do you have some sort of warrant or something like that that gave you the right to film them as part of an investigation? Great questions ... You are correct about the audio recordings ... I never ran across legal issues. I once had a cop told me I wasn't allowed to videotape in public (which is wrong). I then asked him about his dash-cam and how about everytime you walk into a dept. store? He didn't know what to say ... guy was an ass. Anyway, I was told by my boss you can videotape anyone wherever one wouldn't expect to have privacy. Meaning if you're not inside of your house you can be videotaped. So if you're out in public you can legally be videotaped. You can also be videotaped in your home if the blinds/curtains or whatever are open. By leaving them open you're basically giving up your right to privacy is what I've been told.
What would you say your oddest "on the job" experience was? Following a bachelorette party into a gay bar was a bit odd ...
I didn't know anyone, I'm in a gay bar, with a camera ... I made up a story about how I was with an online company covering the party scene in major metropolitan areas ... they bought it.
Did you ever have a case after which you felt bad for the person you had to follow? May be if they were trying to go past the system because they had to and had no other way out? Honestly I never felt bad at all, more anger than anything to be honest.
I think he's referring to a scene in Silver Streak where gene wilder uses shoe polish to change the appearance of his race. Link to www.youtube.com. If you do that, may I recommend that you study how Wilder walks, that's what sells it. I would study Bernie Mac's character in 'Friday', I tried to act similar to that when in those rough neighborhoods ...
So is there a statute of limitations for insurance companies to catch people, or once the people get paid they're free and clear? Do the companies repeatedly send out investigators to collect evidence or do they give up eventually? And what if some dude just sits in his house all day, you ever have a really really difficult time catching someone because they were a shut-in? The companies seem to have a REALLY good idea of who is legit and who is not. They'll usually conduct 2-4 days surveillance max, if they don't have anything by then they give up.
We came across shut-ins all the time, those people made the job complete hell!
Is it possible the shut-ins are really injured or hurt and not trying to scam insurance companies? What happens with those cases? It's definitely possible they're legit. Those cases are usually resolved between the insurance company and the claimant with his attorney.
Thanks for the response - if I was trying something like that I'd commit to video games and take-out for a year. All they'd get is footage of me paying the pizza guy. And sadly, it really is that simple, I don't understand why claimants couldn't figure it out ...
Another quick questions can you or do you ever monitor cell phone or internet usage of clients? If so can you some how view everything they are texting or saying? Or is that a illegal for you to do and only reserved for government use (FBI, CIA etc) We would monitor social-networking sites. You'd be shocked at the dumbass information people will put on myspace, facebook, twitter, linkedin, etc. We never looked into phone records of any sort.
Teenagers are always dumb it's part of being one. If I could go back 12 years ago, I would have told myself how dumb I was and looked. I had a bowl cut in 7th grade ...
Easy to pick up girls doing this? stories? It actually was pretty easy. Hotel bars were the best, you knew everyone was their one business and most would throw away all inhibitions.
I met a woman in Charleston WV once. She was a total milf from San Diego. She was in marketing with one of the major auto-manufacturers. Well we started talking in the gym then she asked if I'd seen the hotel bar yet and if not I should check it out.
Being the idiot I was I didn't realize she was hitting on me. I told her her 'nah I haven't checked out, I'll prolly just pass out once I'm done here' ... She left shortly after, then it hit me once I got back up to my room to shower. 'SHIT, SHE WAS HITTING ON ME!' So I showered up and went down to the hotel barestaurant and sure enough there she was sitting by herself. I approached her, made small talk, then she invited me up to her room to rent a movie. She knew what she was doing, it was a struggle to keep up, not gonna lie.
What's your funniest story? Following a collegiate volleyball coach around campus, then following her to a yoga class. She's decked out in spandex and surrounded by other 20/30 somethings doing yoga. I'm the creep on a bench about 30-40 yards away videotaping everything ... I received some odd looks that day ...
Well a man in a trenchcoat with a long distance lens pointed at a female doing yoga wouldn't look so good. Boners in trenchcoats are tough to hide as well ...
Well next time don't have it in your hand. Dude ... yoga pants.
Whilst investigating someone. Did you or anyone you worked with stumble upon some serious shit? I came across a drug operation involving a 23 year old guy I was following near Overland Park (Kansas City). He lived with his parents but also rented out a 1br apt. where he was growing and selling marijuana. I did a fake package delivery to his apt. to try to confirm his identity, he had thought I was a customer and invited me in. I gave him a $100.00 and told him to take care of me ... I called my boss right when I walked out who then had me call the local authorities ...
Brilliant. What an idiot he is. Very friendly guy, but yes, he could've used a couple business courses ...
How many times were you asked to investigate someone but it came to nothing? Turned out the man wasn't having an affair after all, or the disabled person wasn't faking? Or was it almost always a case of someone having pretty valid concerns and just needing / wanting proof? 9/10 there was fraud going on. Insurance companies know what they're doing, they usually know who's legit and who's not. Like you said, the insurance co. knows there's an issue, they just want to cover their ass when/if it goes to court.
I didn't really do anything involving cheating spouses, the divorce cases I investigated usually involved finding out how much one of the parties was working. I think this went a long way in figuring out what sort of $$ they'd have to pay for alimony.
Thanks for answering. Great AMA and it sounds like your life was varied, interesting and at times risky! No two days were the same that's for sure! Thanks for stopping by.
Did you ever work any disability cases where they were claiming mental illness, and you found out they were faking it? Surprisingly enough I never had any cases involving mental illness. That would've been interesting.
How does someone get started in the profession? I lucked out to be honest. Girl I was dating at the time had a sister who was dating a manager with the company.
I majored in psychology and criminal justice, seems to be the background they're mostly looking for.
I'd recommend checking out indeed.com for various insurance fraud/private invest. type jobs.
I am just starting college and I am most likely going into criminal justice. Were you happy with your decision to take that major? In all honesty, not really. I wish I would've gone the psychology route, I'd recommend doing a few police ride alongs, there's a lot of misconceptions about police work.
Any cool LA stories? Followed a cab driver who did nothing but pick up people at LAX, 3 days of following him around, I wanted to stab someone!
I stayed in a Marriott right by LAX and went to the workout/weightroom they had there. I met a lady from New York while there and she ended up taking me all over LA, she had a Towncar chauffeur us all over. We went to Urasawa in Beverly Hills then a couple rooftop bars in LA, it was nuts and not my type of thing at all but it was cool to see how the 1% live.
She was probably in her mid-late 30's even early 40's I'd guess, real nice woman.
Sounds like something real raymond chandler. My mom used to tell me that all the time. After the 90th time of her telling me that I finally studied up on this Raymond Chandler fella, man was quite the novelist!
That's pretty cool. Did you dibble-dabble with her? We did indeed dibble-dabble ...
We ended up back at the hotel around 4am, drunk off our asses but still wide awake, don't ask me how. We had a nice drunken nightcap in her room then woke up and did it again the next morning.
She ordered this HUGE buffet of a brunch for us too after we 'cleaned up'. Champagne, mimosas, you name it ...
My man! Haha that is awesome. Sounds like LA treated you right. She was a classy gal, and LA definitely did me right. Now if something could be done about the traffic!
Thanks for the comments/questions
What was your most difficult assignment? Hmm, great question.
I had to follow a police officer in Boston. That was not fun, the guy knew what he was doing and knew what to look for. I was able to get him playing in his regular golf league. The guy lived about 5 minutes from the golf course but drove all around town before going. I bet I followed him for two hours before he went golfing. The 3 days leading up to that he didn't step foot outside of his residence.
Did you use any kind of photo\video equipment? I had an HD video camera w/100x optical zoom that was also capable of taking still photos.
We used windows movie maker to edit the video and cut out anything unnecessary. High-tech stuff lemme tell ya!
I guess practicality wins over quality, right? Which camera model was that anyway? It was a Sony camera if I recall. Retailed for around $450-500 at the time I believe. Most reliable camera ever, I beat the hell out of that thing!
From reading your comments, I can't figure out if you're a wanna-be cop on a power trip (which I tend to believe based on your college majors and some of your comments), or just a fairly normal guy with an interesting job. Which one is it? Very normal guy with an odd job. Trust me, I had considered being a cop and did a few ride alongs. That's all it took to turn me off from police work for good ...
Thanks for the reply. Good AMA, by the way. So, what do you do now, if you don't mind me asking? I'm a project manager with a telecom deployment company.
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